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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Nov 18, 2012 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Dylan camp fire

Sitting again tonight enjoying an open fire and listening to music

Wondering will there ever be an Individual who is as awesome and influential as Bob Dylan ?

Jesus H Christ - what kind of lightning was he struck by ?

Was his influence greater than the Beatles? In certain circles for sure. In all musical forms I guess it's debatable.

Thing I really love about Dylan was he was so driven, in the early days when he was inspired he would just write and write on anything at hand. Like mining the gold vein. That genius has proven extraordinalary rare and a definite impact in mankind. Musical, social, liturary, ...


I don't know if we can compare to genious of math, science, philosophy, etc... But to me it's a very close call as to final resting place with the greats.

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Poster: BVD Date: Nov 18, 2012 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

Every time I've seen Dylan the acousic set was like being in church. Mysterious and powerful. I enjoy his voice as well but I think the best voice in RnR belonged to John Lennon.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 18, 2012 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

As a songwriter his talent, and influence, are unquestionable. As a performer he was adequate, at best, and has gone steadily downhill for years. His popularity never approached that of The Beatles, but hos influence was equal to, or maybe greater than that of The Fab Four.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 18, 2012 7:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

"As a performer he was adequate, at best..."
What? He was one of the best performers I've ever heard. Maybe it depends what you're looking for. If it's "showmanship," then I guess not, though he was quite captivating in some years, seeing films of him live in '66 or '75. (And he was still miles ahead of Garcia, who would maybe lift his chin up now & then in some years...)
And I think he's the best singer rock music has had, though perhaps I'm in a small crowd there.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 19, 2012 5:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

I, too, have seen some performance videos that were enjoyable. "Showmanship" isn't really that important. If it was I wouldn't see Willie Nelson and Jerry Garcia as being two of the greats. I guess what I was really trying to say is that Dylan is an "adequate" musician/vocalist. After all it was not his showmanship, nor his musical abilities, that made him famous. It was his songwriting. On some of Dylan's compositions(especially his early acoustic "protest" songs), his version is unquestionably the best. After he electrified, I'd much rather hear The Byrds or Jerry Garcia Band(and in some cases Grateful Dead)cover Dylan than to listen to the originals.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 19, 2012 12:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

LIA, on this one, I agree. "Remember Durango, Larry?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEgcyaHg-pY

And his recent output grows and grows on me....


How 'bout a shout out to Mick Ronson? No one EVER mentions the transition from Mott the Hoople to Bowie to Dylan... A song for Zimmerman (or was that Warhol????) Forgot all about the Velvets... Who WERE the Warlocks???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZi1zMgGGGk

Alligator>=?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g6--QoPsDM

at 52 seconds....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGQo6zpVzt8

Their BEST studio moment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTwXBEa_Tuc


yea, i love that 64 minute dark star.....

yer Blues?

it's a drag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izJNQKNhFII


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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 18, 2012 11:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

I'm amongst that crowd LIA,while he may not have what would be considered a great singing voice he certainly is a great singer.The Idiot Wind from the Hard Rain album is as fine a vocal as you will ever hear from a rock musician for lack of a better term,having listened to thousands of hours of live performances he has proven on hundreds of versions to be a unique and passionate vocalist,singing lyrics that John or Paul wish they were capable of writing.I wonder how much time people commenting here have spent listening to him sing in a live setting,not some manipulated studio environment such as the Beatles performed in.Admittedly he is unlistenable now,I had to stop going around 02',but he is 71 years old for goodness sakes,not much improves after you hit 65 so lets cut him a little slack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whKFg_TiJ64

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 19, 2012 1:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

Loved the Hard Rain album!
Dylan's also known for continually reinterpreting his songs - not always for the better... But it's one reason people will listen to multiple live versions of his songs.
As one example - Shelter from the Storm, across three decades:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6rwnb-9_WU - from the same 1976 show; Dylan rocks out on top of a guitar tornado
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6y5bEMwVGY - from 1987; that year we got quiet, lilting piano versions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BSW7ZTD6UY - from 1995. This show from Prague is one of Dylan's classics - he was sick with the flu that week & didn't play guitar, just sang. He starts out gently crooning, and ends up literally wailing the last verse. (Pardon the drunks in the audience...)

There are videos up from the Prague show a couple days later, illustrating crooner-style Dylan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf1EBor281Q (most of the show's like that)

Dylan really sang sweetly through a lot of '95/96; the best examples aren't on youtube, but a couple great examples from this show will suffice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfgADNIXMjw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hV2OIm6YZo

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 19, 2012 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

Thanks for linking some wonderful Bob performances LIA,I'm not to familiar with his YouTube catalog which can be daunting to decipher with all the folks in their bedrooms doing cover versions and his legal team having the videos taken down regularly I gave up.I always had a soft spot for that Prague Simple Twist.

He does have a penchant for wildly rearranging his songs to varying degrees of success,but that's what keeps it interesting for all these years.People who haven't invested a good deal of time listening to his live output really have no idea what Bob Dylan's music is about.

In case this one got by you it is as heartfelt a vocal as I've heard him sing.When He Returns starts at about 5:15 into video,crazed cultist lyrics aside it is an impassioned effort.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTpZHU0KRpI

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 19, 2012 10:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

Yes, that's another famous show since it's long circulated on SBD and as a video, so it's perhaps the most accessible of his 'gospel shows.' When He Returns is a beautiful song.

It is a shame that Dylan's team keeps yanking youtube videos so they have to be disguised (hence hard to find). I find Dylan's animosity towards "bootleggers" far more upsetting than his religious preoccupations. His released output is just a sliver of what he could do.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 20, 2012 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

I did not realize that was such a famous show,having been a fairly avid Dylan bootleg collector since the early 80's I don't believe I came in contact with that show until the mid to late 90's.
I understand his aversion to bootleggers since early in his career his music was
being sold not just traded around amongst his fans, but I find his religious preoccupations very disturbing.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 20, 2012 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

Maybe since I only started collecting in the mid-'90s I just assumed it had been out longer.
His religious beliefs at least only affected the music for a few years, a small patch in his long career. On the other hand, his unwillingness to release many outtakes or live shows over the years, and his hostility towards people sharing these outtakes or live shows, has been a long-lasting affront to fans. Though I can see how he was pissed by so much stuff appearing on bootleg that he would rather have kept hidden away.
His website did feature live show samplings for a few years, though.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 20, 2012 1:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

That show very well might have been circulating and famous for a number of years before I stumbled across it,I just remember sharing it with a few of my equally zealous Dylan listener friends and none of them had heard it either.While I like some of the material from his religious phase I also didn't go out of my way to collect music from that period so for all I know it could have been well known.

He has always reflected some religious perspectives in his lyrics with a more militant run from 79'-81',it's not so much how it affected the music as it was disturbing he would align himself with the religious community,something I vehemently oppose.

I said I understood his dislike for bootlegging his music,but I certainly don't agree with the fervor he applies to squashing his fans ability to listen to and share what is available.

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Poster: thekind78 Date: Nov 18, 2012 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan camp fire

That is one inspirational fire!